Rebel Tour Money Investors ESPN Update

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Rebels behind closed doors 

When Quiksilver announced it had re-signed Kelly Slater for another five years in June, chief executive Bob McKnight said Slater had “some great ideas that we will work on together to enhance the marketability of surfing and bring surf competitions to a broader audience in new and innovative ways”.

The significance of that statement is only now becoming apparent. An insider in the sport has told me that both Kelly and Bob have invested heavily in the rebel tour that has become the biggest story in surfing during the past month.

The tour, as you've heard, would involve 16 surfers at eight events over a five-month season, with each event offering a prize pool of $US1.5 million.

Attempts to contact both Kelly and Bob have so far been in vain. One journalist did manage to contact Kelly over the weekend, but neglected to ask any difficult questions, such as how much money, if any, Kelly stands to earn from the breakaway, how the breakaway will help the ASP to nurture the grassroots, and whether there are reasons to believe Mat Tinley, the rebel group's main broker, has an inappropriate background for this kind of deal.

You may have read elsewhere that this is a repeat of previous failed attempts by outsiders to take over the pro tour, which is true. This deal is remarkably similar to the one put up by sports production and management company CSI in the mid 1990s, which the surfers, including Kelly, emphatically rejected.

However, there are two reasons why this latest proposal has been treated as a more serious threat by administrators, sponsors and some pro surfers. First, the webcast has proved you can deliver events live without needing to squeeze it into TV schedules. Nobody is making money out of webcasts yet, but it won't be long. The webcast commands an audience that is prepared to sit through long periods of inaction to see occasional bits of surfing; it can only be a matter of time before an entrepreneur realises it is begging to be jammed full of ads.

 

Second, TV sports broadcasting has exploded. There's even a 24-hour sports channel on free-to-air in Australia, which is so desperate for content that it broadcasts poker tournaments. Despite its inability to guarantee a live broadcast, surfing would still be attractive to these new sports channels in the form of quickly produced event highlights packages.

There are another couple of factors that make the threat more compelling this time: three big companies - Nike, Target and Red Bull - have dramatically increased their presence in the sport, and are possibly waiting for the right moment to fire a shot across the bow of the established surf industry. And, most sensational of all, this rebel tour has the endorsement of our nine times world champion. Even if it fails, which it might, this latest challenge to the surfing establishment raises issues and exposes vulnerabilities in the sport that only a fool would ignore.

Few people object to Kelly's ideas about a slickly produced elite tour. Even the ASP is willing to consider his ideas. “If Kelly's manager can bring something that is wonderful and great, then that's the path we should go," ASP CEO Brodie Carr told me last month. "You don't hold onto something just because you always have.”

It was the way he went about it - leaping into the arms of a former boxing promoter instead of running it past the ASP first - that has rankled the establishment and left Kelly looking like a spoilt brat. 

The ASP board and various event sponsors held a video conference on Monday, August 3, which resolved to continue talking to the rebels. Brodie said Tinley and his partner, Slater's manager Terry Hardy, could make significant contributions to surfing. "Terry has a good understanding of the sport,” Carr said. “And Tinleydoes have a lot of background in TV, so it’s worth exploring. If ourstakeholders thought he didn’t have a lot of knowledge of TV wewouldn’t be exploring it.”

Brodie wants to know who is backing Tinley. "I have one outstanding question for Matt," he told me yesterday. "Who are the shareholders of the company that will put on the tour? I've said that if I'm going to be giving the sport over to someone, I'd like to know who it is. He still hasn't told me."

Last week, the ASP board's new surfer's representative, Mick Fanning, met with Tinley's partner, Slater's manager Terry Hardy. Fanning described Hardy as "very confident".

Similarly, Greville Mitchell, the man behind the surfers union, World Professional Surfers, who reportedly has also met Hardy, declined to return calls or elaborate on rumours that the WPS has reached an agreement with the rebel tour.

Another insider has told me the world's top surfers are "seriously scared" about what they should do next. "They don't want to be the only one who didn't jump ship if it happens," the insider said. "Nor do they want to defect and be penalised by the ASP if the whole thing fails." - Fred Pawle

dimsum
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Re: Rebel Tour Money Investors ESPN Update
Reply #55 on : Thu August 06, 2009, 13:47:46
Where and why did they find Mat Tinsley? Does this guy even surf? The X-games have already ruined the action sports culture and a kook like Mr. Tinsley will probably make it a shit-ton worse. Also, the guy has a pretty bad track-record of taking care of his finances.

An improved tour sounds alright in my book, but leave Mat Tinsley out of it.
yep
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Reply #54 on : Wed August 05, 2009, 18:15:44
INTERVIEW WITH TINLEY

Does Kelly Slater have an ownership stake in this tour?

Absolutely not. No single athlete, brand, or network has or will have an equity stake in this. That’s the crux of this thing. It’s meant to be bigger than any person, brand or event. It’s about the sport. That said, if the league benefits and manages to make good money, the athletes who do participate will benefit from a profit sharing plan, the same way some employees do with the company they work for and the same way pro athletes do in other sports.

But Kelly’s involvement is a must, correct?

Kelly is the most well known surfer in the world, and frankly, his involvement is crucial. Unfortunately, there are a number of other top rated surfers who aren’t as well known and that must be corrected. Our mission is to make stars out of all the top surfers. The only way for that to happen is to bring top surfers competing head to head to millions of homes around the world on a regular basis. That’s not happening now. So ultimately it’s about getting other top surfers as well known as Kelly—because they deserve it, and an effective worldwide media plan will do so much more for them. Kelly understands that and that’s why he’s a big supporter of this tour.

Are you trying to make this tour work within the framework of the ASP?

Yes. Absolutely. We’ve laid out a thoughtful detailed plan to work with the ASP and trust that progressive minds will also see how this benefits the sport, surfers and the fans. It’s no secret that for a long time Surfing has lagged behind other major sports in media coverage. We’re going to bring professional surfing to the same level as the top level of other major sports. We have enormous passion to make the tour great because Surfing is an iconic global sport with passionate and participatory audience and Surfers are incredibly gifted charismatic athletes, and surfing deserves a world class platform for the very top surfers to compete in a thrilling format with best of breed production and widespread global distribution. We have a team that will take will take surfing to new levels. Every member of the team is at the top of his or her field in media development, marketing and distribution. We’ve got every angle lined up from Television, web, digital media, mobile delivery, marketing, etc. While we respect the brands history, passion and commitment to pro surfing, for the sport to now make the big leap, it will require a strategy and execution like other major worldwide sports.

Can the winner of this tour really be considered a world champion if the field is limited to such a small amount of surfers?

One fascinating stat we've uncovered is that the world champion in any year almost always finished in the top ten the previous year. So there are only about ten surfers in the world who are likely to win the world championship in any given year. Our goal is to make sure we not only have those guys but the world’s best up and comers who can challenge the proven top performers. And unlike the way the tour is set up today, where top surfers may not surf frequently, our tour is structured so they will. So yeah, anyone who beats the best guys on a regular basis is clearly the world champion.

Right now ten percent of the ASP field at each event is comprised of wildcards. Will you be opening that funnel up a bit to keep things fresh?

We’re looking at 25% of the field being comprised of wildcards. And how those picks will be decided is up to the surfers on tour to decide. They have as much say in this as anyone. Ultimately, this is the surfer’s tour. They care deeply about their sport and have progressive ideas on how to improve the competition, so ultimately their views will shape the competitive and event formats.

Will there still be a place for—even a need for the ASP if this tour goes forward but you guys can’t make something work at the highest levels?

We support the clear path system so that the young surfer can see his way to become world champion. There will always have to be a feeder system that young talent can rise up through and emerge. The WQS and the Pro Junior Series are important competitions, and we think those tours will benefit a lot more as we’re doing a better job at the highest level. Brands have an opportunity to make those WQS events and the Junior events even bigger, which again is a major benefit for all surfers.

But several guys who are on the World Tour today will effectively be sent back to the minor leagues.
As in any sport, the competition to play at the top level is fierce. That’s the nature and beauty of sports. This tour will be smaller than the one today, so yes, there will be intense competition, which will create tremendous interest.

How will it fit with the farm system?

The surfers have expressed interest in a single ranking system, like they have in tennis, which will allow for more mobility up and down the ranks. And the rankings will be weighted more on your records vs. the top ranked guys, so winning a contest with nobody in it won’t get you as far as winning one with a bunch of the best guys. That’s something the WPS and the ASP will likely be enhancing, and we support their position.

Where are you in this process?

We’re in the late stages to confirm all components. The feedback we’ve been getting has been very positive from the surfers, our discussions with the brands are progressing, there’s substantial interest from global consumer brands, and there’s a lot of enthusiasm from the world wide surfing community. We’re also narrowing event locations. While wild speculation is natural for these situations, we hope everyone will wait until we unveil all the details so they can form their own opinions based on the facts.
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Re: Rebel Tour Money Investors ESPN Update
Reply #53 on : Wed August 05, 2009, 09:13:47
Wasn't there supposed to be an official announcement during US Open? Then just after US Open? Then during X-Games? Then just after X-Games? New tour is falling apart. The dynamic duo of Tinley and Hardy blew their load too early in a fantastic display of prematurely-ejaculated ideas, leaving the surfing world both unsatisfied and unimpressed.
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Reply #52 on : Wed August 05, 2009, 09:11:01
From what I can deduce, Kelly/Terry/Tinley and Quiksilver are on one side of the fence, while the rest of the surfing world sit on the other side...seems like a pretty cut and dry marketing gamble that is failing more and more every day.
Quiksilver is Boned
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Re: Rebel Tour Money Investors ESPN Update
Reply #51 on : Wed August 05, 2009, 08:59:03
Well, it's plain to see that Quiksilver is more boned now than they were last December. Sales our down and this latest foray into corruption and shady dealings has rendered them sitting ducks for the rest of the brands to blow up. What's to prevent the ASP Board from revoking Quik's licenses at Snapper and in France and replacing them with dozens of barking sponsors, leaving Quik, Kelly and whoever else jumps ship to rot on their circus tour for a few days before financing gets pulled? OFFLOAD YOUR QUIKY STOCKS! THOSE THINGS WON'T BE WORTH THE PAPER THEY'RE PRINTED ON IN THE NEAR FUTURE!
Anonymous
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Re: Rebel Tour Money Investors ESPN Update
Reply #50 on : Wed August 05, 2009, 00:36:45
Check this interview Lewis had with Mr. Slater in May of 2008 - while he was in the midst of his record-breaking run towards a ninth title. At the time, Kelly had no reason to be vindictive towards the ASP - yet he laid out his grievances.

http://postsurf.com/2009/08/03/long-time-coming/#comments
Fascists
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Re: Rebel Tour Money Investors ESPN Update
Reply #49 on : Tue August 04, 2009, 18:07:49
Has Kelly really done anything outside of airing the ASP's dirty laundry here? I mean, he basically bags on the ASP Board structure (of whicj his company Quiksilver is a part of) and that's it, yet his proposed tour is about the most corrupt concept imaginable. It'd be like living in Russia during the 1950s and saying, "fuck communism, let's give fascism a chance!" The stupidity levels of professional surfers never cease to amaze me.
kyle
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Reply #48 on : Tue August 04, 2009, 18:03:22
this totally sucks ass!
derryck
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Re: Rebel Tour Money Investors ESPN Update
Reply #47 on : Tue August 04, 2009, 16:16:06
Kelly's lame and thinks of no one but himself
PARKO!
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Reply #46 on : Tue August 04, 2009, 16:14:53
PARKO! PARKO! PARKO! PARKO!

Kelly is old and needs to move on. It's disgusting how he has tried to belittle Parko's title campaign this year.

Beat it jimmy.
Loobs
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Kelly Shmelly
Reply #45 on : Tue August 04, 2009, 16:13:08
Actually Dana White should run it. The quotes would be awesome, plus, he couldn't be any worse. You can fight in the UFC, get KO'ed in 2 seconds and still win more than the Pipe smokin' master.

I still think Kelly should have an invitational held during spring break in Mexico and filmed by MTV as a real world spin off - that has some big time juju. This is just the Dew tour for surf - although I hope it has the commerically appealing surf Sheckler equiv (invitations for prodigious SoCal teen sensation who is able to cry on demand are now open - winner will be granted a Nike 6.0 sponno deal and an oversized can of Monster energy drink along with garish decals of said beverage)...
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Re: Rebel Tour Money Investors ESPN Update
Reply #44 on : Tue August 04, 2009, 15:52:57
Go Kelly, leverage your nine ASP world titles and fuck off and start your own thing...douchebag.
Too Much Time
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Re: Rebel Tour Money Investors ESPN Update
Reply #43 on : Tue August 04, 2009, 15:32:54
Thank you Eric Dranginis. Certainly, we must have too much time on our hands. Oh, how we long to be someone like you, who is so busy that he only has enough time to read our comments and preach to us about how we have too much time on our hands. Thank you for saving us Eric...idiot.
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to the slater haters
Reply #42 on : Tue August 04, 2009, 15:20:12
http://postsurf.com/2009/08/03/long-time-coming/#comments

Link to interview with Kelly, May 2008 on his way to title 9, no sore loser, no end of career trying to cash in, just frustration at an amateur system run by the Big 3 surf corporations. Open your minds people. In the end I'm not sure who should be running this thing but I want to see the best surfers in the best waves only losing because they were outsurfed. Simple.
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Everyone is way to worried about the wrong thing
Reply #41 on : Tue August 04, 2009, 12:59:38
These comments are all pretty ridiculous. Why do you guys care so much? If surfing is your "soulful" activity then surf. If you're competitive then compete and win. If you can make a living off of surfing with stickers on your board than thats freakin sweet. I for one wouldn't mind some solid webcasts of good surfers in good waves. Gets me amped for the morning. All you guys have way too much time on your hands to worry about stuff like this.
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Re: Rebel Tour Money Investors ESPN Update
Reply #40 on : Tue August 04, 2009, 11:06:49
Quiksilver? Yepo Public it is, majority owned by the bloody Japs too.
Somehow they get Snapper rocks every year like they won the War.
Guess they did.
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More comedy from the Dog and Pony Show
Reply #39 on : Tue August 04, 2009, 09:56:13
The Chips has to laugh at these clowns. Hopefully both tours will fail and these pros will go back to surfing's fine roots of pounding nails and/or selling drugs to surf. Let the Chips paint a picture of this post-pro-tour apocalypse. Black shorts and black wetsuits will dominate the lineups and kooks will go home with flat tires and black eyes. Surf magazines will no longer have pretty boys to write about because core surfers will be gangsters, drug runners, and bar brawlers.

You Stab kooks can go work at the flavor-of-the-month fashion store in the mall and tell the kids which overpriced jeans and hair gell to buy.

The Chips has even offered to invest in this new tour just to see this new era come along sooner.

23 Chips
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Grumpy Fuck 2
Reply #38 on : Tue August 04, 2009, 09:18:58
I agree with Grumpy Fuck.

Pro surfer owe us regular surfers a wave or 2. Indirectly we pay their bloated salaries, the majority of us get limited time in the surf there for I propose " Drop in on a pro-surfer day"- all surfer unite- body surfers, body boarders & surfers of all shapes and persuasions drop in on a kelly, taj, mick or even a jordy .

Do Pro-Surfer represent me or my favorite lifestyle? FUCK NO.
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The Price Of Rice In China
Reply #37 on : Tue August 04, 2009, 08:55:25
Hey Reply #30,
I think you will find Quik is actually a public company and while Bob McKnight may own stock in that company it's not "HIS" and does anyone actually know Quik or Kelly or Bob McKnight have ANY ownership ties to this whole new tour fuckery. Lots of the stuff posted here is rumor and guesses and lots of it is funny. Surfers love their sport and gosh Aussie hate seppos still eh!!!!!! Hey what about the womens tour and the juniors and the longboards?????
a grumpy fuck
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Re: Rebel Tour Money Investors ESPN Update
Reply #36 on : Tue August 04, 2009, 08:41:47
The idea of surfing as a sport has always irked me. It's not a sport, it's a hobby. It's something you do for shit's and giggles. That's why I've always found irony in competitive surfing. How do you judge surfing? It's an entirely subjective activity. Also, pro surfers don't need to make more money. It's the surf industry that needs to make less money. The fact that you get to play in the surf all day makes you the luckiest bastard automatically.

I hope both tours fail and surfing goes back to the essence
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Reply #35 on : Tue August 04, 2009, 08:37:34
Props to Al Cunt for giving the most realistic forecast of the rebel tour. Brand-names splattered everywhere....sponsors sponsors sponsors, ads ads ads...The corny-ness factor increased by a factor of 10...Cheese-ball commentators broadcasting to cheese-ball mainstream fans.

There's no need to broadcast surfing to a broader audience. No need to push surfing even farther mainstream. It's already gotten to a state where half the people involved are goons and kooks. Look at Slater. Granted he's an amazing surfer, but he's never had style and character. He's no Gerry Lopez or Tom Curren. He forces his turns way to hard, has a shitty stance, and his airs are ugly. He can just pull off crazy maneuvers and stay on his board.

In a way it's fitting, the world's kookiest surfer ruining the soul of surfing
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Reply #34 on : Tue August 04, 2009, 08:16:49
cash rules everything around me

DOLLAH DOLLAH BILL Y'ALLLLLL
Kyle
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Re: Rebel Tour Money Investors ESPN Update
Reply #33 on : Tue August 04, 2009, 03:58:01
I don't think Parko's stressing over a 300 k pay raise per tour win. And why so defensive of the brands? They're corporate men (in sandals) and they've been holding the sport hostage for years... using the surfer's images to sell bathing suits t shirts etc in shopping centers and department stores... and keeping too much of the money for themselves. It's about time some more of this came to the actual talent. It's a mockery of surfing to have an association of clothing companies running the sport.

No one knows how this'll work until they actually see it... and the first event isn't set to happen for another 10 months. Plenty of time for the details to come out (and plenty of time to make still premature judgments).
Anonymous
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Reply #32 on : Tue August 04, 2009, 03:27:56
That's an interesting point. All great surfers have been in Kelly's shadow for the past 20 years. I can't imagine any reason whatsoever why they would leave a respected system to jump right back in his shadow on the Kelly Tour. That's ridiculous. Parko is now proving that Kelly is no longer the alpha male and I think it's pretty pathetic that Slater would try to take that away from Joel this season with these sideshow antics.
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Reply #31 on : Tue August 04, 2009, 03:22:11
It's completely fucked I reckon and puts Quiksilver into a dire situation.

Imagine if Billabong, Rippers, Hurley and O'Neill all bound together and said fuck Quik and the invite tour. They could revoke Quik's ASP license and pretty much sink them right then and there.

Quiksilver loses all cred while trying to force their team to follow Kelly on the ESPN tour.

I don't understand what the brands are waiting for. Fuck that fatshit Bob McKnight and fuck Kelly for only thinking about himself.

Surfing will finally move on when Kelly leaves.
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Re: Rebel Tour Money Investors ESPN Update
Reply #30 on : Tue August 04, 2009, 03:13:29
Peely, don't you reckon it's fucked that McKnight's company sits on the ASP Board and that he's basically torpedoing the ASP on this one? What a greedy cunt.
Only a brazo
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get a little humble
Reply #29 on : Tue August 04, 2009, 00:31:08
KS should look up to Cairns and Bugs if he wants to improve the tour. He could debate his 'great ideas' as ASP president, isn't he retiring soon? I read somewhere he promised to surf at least 3 years in the new tour, in case it comes true. But even being 'the one', who can guarantee for sure he will be competitive for so much?
To this point, NO ONE mentioned how will surfers qualify for the milionary tour. Kids still don't know how to dream about it. Kelly should know better, he was a kid once.
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"The Tour"
Reply #28 on : Mon August 03, 2009, 23:30:24
Regardless of all the banter about this I think the ASP's CEO has summed it all up perfectly, they are happy to talk but just want to know who they are talking to. The WPS should bear in mind the size of the stakes here. A rebel tour that fails is gonna leave a bunch of surfers in the wilderness and lets face it we are not gonna stop buying boardshorts and surfboards just because there is no World Tour and I reckon a few managers would love the chance to shred a few contracts and invest in junior talent instead in these tough economic times. Forget Kelly Slater in any venture that has the future of surfing in mind it the exciting kids who are just coming on who hold the cards … and they are for sale for a shit load less! Yeah reply #26 you got me on the different managers but I have a feeling it may be the same shit in a different wrapper. Hey has anyone spoken to Bob McKnight????????????????
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losin hope
Reply #27 on : Mon August 03, 2009, 17:13:59
Id rather watch the footy. Fuck both tours. Go film for 8 months and make a fuck-off good video section.

Pro surfing progresses cause of people off the tour.

Wat r u more hyped about - trestles or the modern colectiv vid?

exactly. Fuck all this shit.
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Re: Rebel Tour Money Investors ESPN Update
Reply #26 on : Mon August 03, 2009, 17:01:45
um shane... baywatch was a different manager... and the surf brands can still sponsor events on the wct... they can even sponsor a espn event if they want to cough up... there's been surfing in the xgames before and that didnt upset anyone so who cares

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