Tim Baker STAB feud

Tim Baker

Words fail me

Within minutes of waking up on my first morning in South Africa, I had myself a new lifelong enemy. Tim Baker. Nursing an unexpectedly bad hangover, not helped by a radically perverted body clock, I had been walking toward the alluring aroma of frying bacon and coffee at the Billabong Pro, J-Bay. As I reached a grass patch overlooking a pan-flat Jeffreys bay, a man with thinning brown hair and a jeans/sweater ensemble approached me.

“Are you Jed Smith?”

I am, I replied.

“I’m Tim,” he said.

In March, I had audaciously rung Mr Baker to interview him about his floundering career as a literary lecturer. Baker, you see, had been booked by the Sydney Writers Festival to contribute to a panel discussion (with Sean Doherty and Nick Carroll) about surf writing, then conduct his own masterclass on surf writing for aspiring students of the art. When I found out that, after weeks of tickets to the masterclass being on sale, only three of 30 had been picked up, I decided to ring him and find out what he was going to do next.This is the kind of larrikin idea that Baker virtually invented during his time at Tracks and ASL in the late 1980s and 90s. I honestly thought he'd take it in good spirit. I was wrong. You can read the ensuing story here.

Another man approached us, a veteran cameraman on tour, with whom I'm on nodding terms. We acknowledged each other. Tim said to him, “I’m surprised you talk to people like this.” Then he launched into an interrogation of why I wrote the article. Things deteriorated.

I said I thought it would be a harmless ribbing. His lecture had tanked, no biggie, and I thought he would be happy to concede that the idea was misguided. I had no idea he would react so violently. After all, I was only espousing the very style that had once made him one of the luminaries of the surf writing firmament. Baker asked, “Don’t you have more interesting things to write about?” Then, in what may have been a compliment, he told me an intelligent person would be able to find any number of interesting stories in surfing to write about. I disagreed. I told Baker that I worked on the Stab website, where daily deadlines sometimes forced me to be a bit innovative with story ideas.

This led Baker to divulge his credentials as the former editor of two of surfing’s biggest magazines (ASL and Tracks), and tell me that I didn’t know what I was talking about. I steered the conversation back to why I’d written the article. The Sydney Writers Festival was a prestigious event bringing together some of the world’s great thinkers (Germaine Greer, Alain De Botton and David Suzuki have all appeared there), I said. I didn’t believe surf writing had earned its place, yet, amongst such esteemed personalities. This angered Baker. He said, “What the fuck would you know? I don’t discuss the merits of journalism with people like you. You’ve done nothing.”

"You approached me," I replied.

Baker was agitated. He kept removing his glasses, running his hand through his hair and placing them back on top of his head. I told him another of my problems with the panel discussion, was that it lacked a diversity of viewpoints. All the writers on the panel were former Tracks editors, and were all from a similar mould of writer. Perhaps the panel would have been better served to include someone like Fred Pawle. After all he is the only surf writer ever to receive a Walkley nomination for “outstanding investigative reporting.”

“I can’t fucking believe this,” guffawed Tim. “Fred Pawle? What the fuck has Fred Pawle done? Fucken Fred Pawle.” I asked Tim whether he had a Walkley nomination. His shoulders spread, his stance widened. He was entering attack mode, old-school style.

“Who are you to question me? I don’t take this off cunts like you,” and with this he began to walk forward. I reacted quick and jammed my face in his. With my mouth in licking distance, my teeth still red and harbouring the pungent odour of the previous night’s Beyerkloff Shiraz (a robust, fruity drop that disappeared hastily from the palette), I said, “Do something, you old cunt. Go on, fuckwit.” Tim stood his ground. We stood face to face for a few seconds, then sidestepped. I threw my finished can of orange juice in the recycling bin. As I walked away, Tim said he would never fight at a surfing contest, in front of all these people. I reiterated that “he came up to me” and left him to bake in his juice. – Jed Smith

Shane Peel
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F*ckup
Reply #69 on : Sun July 19, 2009, 11:19:15
Hey Anonymous,
That name is with a Cap S and Cap P:)
ZB
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LOL
Reply #68 on : Sat July 18, 2009, 21:46:02
Hahaha i love it when things blow up in peoples faces!
How do your eyebrows feel after this one Jed Smith?
No eyebrows left to feel, after the explosion in ones face? Not surprised.
Report something interesting or have a career change please.
Anonymous
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bakerlite
Reply #67 on : Sat July 18, 2009, 19:07:57
shane peels a fuckup
jonmon
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Re: Tim Baker STAB feud
Reply #66 on : Sat July 18, 2009, 09:27:12
has this got out of hand yet. ... ?

yo stab it's internet protocol not internet provider .. you're getting confused with ISP. it's still fucking hilarious though,.

if you're unhappy and want to post nasty shit, grow some balls and put a name to it :)
Shane Peel
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Jed's Hack
Reply #65 on : Fri July 17, 2009, 18:03:19
Hey Jed,
I am interested to know if you surf, not in a mean sort of "hey that fat prick is a kook" way but just in a simple yes or no way. Are the stories about your weight true? I'm not poking fun cause I get a little fat from time to time, just interested to know?
How much do you earn as a surf mag writer I heard those Stab cats are minted so do you like get paid bank and get to go on all those cool heli surf trips or do you just get to hang with Dekor and Wheels the odd friday night in Bondi. Are you embarrassed that you are actually aping an old Baker writing style that you have copied from Derek who in turn had copied it from Baker … shit you are actually the writing version bastard-child of Baker and we all know sons rebel against their father figure, it explains it perfectly. One thing I will give you though Tim IS actually about to bail in that pit but it would have taken a fair set of ball to pull into it in the first place.
Laughing lady
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Re: ego tripping
Reply #64 on : Fri July 17, 2009, 18:02:37
This is the funniest article and subsequent thread I have read in a long time. How pathetic all the 'anonymous' responses are! Great journalism, i say stab, raising the hackles of people with oversized egos is a bold move, but fun to watch from a distance. "bitchy 13 year old school girl" seems to describe the behaviour of phantom-repeat-comment poster more than anything. It is absolutely hilarious. My favourite is "Jed is a fat wanker". Such maturity from the readership!

Any article with an insight into the ugly side of the surf industry monster has my interest! There is nothing uglier than chest puffing competitions!

When footy bogans wear surf clothing more religiously than surfers, you know things have gone too far. At what point did the slogan 'only a surfer knows the feeling' disappear? Its all a bit boring these days. Stab, is of course part of the industry, but a little more provocative? it is good to see. I would say a bit of scandal makes for good journalism..
"no one cares about surf journos.. why write about them?" I completely disagree.

Anyhow, back to your chest beating, fellow commentators.

Signed,
Anonymous female reader
(not affiliated with Tim Baker, Stab or anyone else in the industry)
Anonymous
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Re: Tim Baker STAB feud
Reply #63 on : Fri July 17, 2009, 13:22:52
This story is pretty funny. Tim used to call out people on their shit, then Jed gives him a taste of it and he blows up! Old cunt's time is up
growla
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dead mr peel
Reply #62 on : Wed July 15, 2009, 17:06:35
shame baker wasn't half smart he'd have responded well to stabs original writers festival enquiry and improved it's profile, instead he arseholes stab dismisses the new bloke and carries it on months later approaching the youngn on arrival in sth africa and losin it. seems self loving fired up fucks prefer competition to collaboration. young blokes just writing as he sees it.
Shane Peel
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"Jed's Dead baby"
Reply #61 on : Wed July 15, 2009, 13:15:35
Jed here's the tip mate, Tim has been doing the whole surf writing thing for a long time and has probably forgotten more than you know. I think what irks a lot of people about your writing is that you come across a desperate, but clever writer who want's to get on stage. The way to do that is by being curious about surfing and not the things you write about. People who log onto a surf website or read a surf mag are interested about surfing. Come on mate get clever on the subject not your peers. Right now you are coming across as a spoilt brat who no-one wants to give any attention too, if your gonna throw stones you have to be able to back it up.
P.S If Baker turns mate you might wanna run he's a very peaceful guy but I reckon he could kick your arse pretty hard.
i dont wanna get fired
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my team leader
Reply #60 on : Tue July 14, 2009, 17:52:07
my team leader is a dick. Total prick. Dosnt look me in the eye when we talk - let people talk to him like a prick. And now I find out he's talkin shit on me. What a wanker. Total un ozzie i reckon.

kids- dont work in the govt - there are so many spineless pricks.

fuck that arsehole.

fuck surf mags too. read Time or bulletin.

write sumthin interesting stab. im 26 and fukin bored.

i'll buy a subscription if u write 1 truthful but unpleasent thing about a pro that rides for a major company...

fuck the recession too. and fuck being middle class. 1 million buck for a house near the surf

fukin newport beach
No Scientist
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How NOT to ride the tube with Tim Baker
Reply #59 on : Tue July 14, 2009, 09:41:05
What the fuck is Baker doing? I'm no scientist but it seems to me that if you point the nose of your board toward the barrel exit you would tend to head in that direction.

Thanks for the lesson, Mr Baker. Got any more mediocre sporting abilities in your shallow arsenal that you'd care to pretend to know something about?
Anonymous
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Re: Tim Baker STAB feud
Reply #58 on : Tue July 14, 2009, 09:34:42
let them all pass all their dirty remarks...Bob Marley
Jase
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Timmy
Reply #57 on : Mon July 13, 2009, 19:59:02
Tim just reported on ESPN potentially sponsoring a new 'dream tour'.
Where were you on that one Jed you peanut?
eastcoast
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funniest shit ever
Reply #56 on : Mon July 13, 2009, 19:07:46
this is the funniest shit i have ever read, the fact that baker responded on his website, also hilarious. i think people seem to forget that writing is still entertainment and when i read something on a surf website i don't want to see some political bullshit, i don't want to know what the skin tastes like between a pro surfers balls and asshole and I definitely don't want to know how good the waves were in some destination I'll never be able to afford to travel to. (especially when i have a super awesome worthless bachelors degree that i repeatedly wipe my ass with in this recession, which i then hang back on the wall in its frame and try to figure out what i ate on what day of the week based on the shit smears)

but anyway...
know it all surf writers claiming literary credentials? they fucking suck dick. the surfing encyclopedia is especially stupid and those who helped to edit it also suck. seriously when i'm trying to get barreled or hit the lip, i care about as much about surfings history as i do the history of the flushable toilet.

no holds barred humorous writing depicted in an exceptionally boring journalistic venue? fucking rules. all hail stab, reilly, chas, likebitchin and now jed smith for making me laugh and smile while i fall asleep at night.

oh but one thing jed...the bacon in australia sucks balls.
kostya smith
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tim stinks like poo
Reply #55 on : Mon July 13, 2009, 16:22:15
Jesus!! Whats new a pro surfing ass licker shits himself doing the old,"staunch up but cant back it up".what a fag you are tim you pooed your pants, may be you should go back to undie wrestling with sarge!! in with the new out with the old..beat it tim and wipe your pants you stink..vote jed for prez..
Bubba Zanetti
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Smith Vs Baker
Reply #54 on : Mon July 13, 2009, 15:21:09
Smith - You have walked away from your articles demeaning Tim Baker reaking of purile immaturity.

I enjoy both styles of journalism portrayed by both Smith and Baker, but from my own insignificant point of view, Smith has lowered himself to the level of a bitchy 13 year old school girl hell bent on character assasination.

B Grade effort Smith.
Anonymous
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Re: Tim Baker STAB feud
Reply #53 on : Mon July 13, 2009, 13:39:41
It's entertaining and I really don't give a fuck if it makes Tim Baker sad.
Full bars.
Anonymous
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Re: Tim Baker STAB feud
Reply #52 on : Mon July 13, 2009, 13:15:47
Jeds a fat wanker if I see him pick on older crew near me Ill personally hospitalize him. Hear me talking you fat outta shape swine?
Ive made tons of tubes with a raised foot like Tims there, guess your ability in the surf should be called into question as well as how you were raised.
PLEASE sack this wanker STAB before you end up footing his medical expenses.
berka
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does jed rip or pose?
Reply #51 on : Mon July 13, 2009, 12:33:18
another thing jed, you've also opted to write off tim's surfing ability (see pic above) based on what appears to be a pretty solid solid barrel. how's about we see some pics of you ripping it up - did you catch anything in tahiti/j'bay or did you just stroll around being witty in that trendy hat?
Anonymous
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Re: Tim Baker STAB feud
Reply #50 on : Mon July 13, 2009, 12:23:22
blah blah blah, maybe we are all jealous Jed is young, free of financial, maritial, parental obligations and free to wave his dick in the wind, fuck knows I am.
Will
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Billabong Staffer
Reply #49 on : Mon July 13, 2009, 09:55:50
Jed you went to South Africa and this is what you come up with? No one cares about surf journos... why write about them? you are a sad little man...
TheCriticsCritic
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Tim is a wonderful writer...
Reply #48 on : Mon July 13, 2009, 07:58:20
CHEST ZIPS ARE SO HOT RIGHT NOW

is a brilliant exposé...
rocky
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Re: Tim Baker STAB feud
Reply #47 on : Mon July 13, 2009, 07:37:37
Here's an exercise.
Compare and contrast the two JBai posts by Jed Smith to Tim Bakers on the ASL website then decide who the better writer is.
Report back here. I'm interested.
Anonymous
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Re: Tim Baker STAB feud
Reply #46 on : Mon July 13, 2009, 07:36:46
stir the pot....if you get run out of the surf industry, there is always Zoo Mag
Anonymous
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yappy crones
Reply #45 on : Sun July 12, 2009, 23:50:20
old bull young bull story jetlag hangover bacon insular industry. so much fuckn unnecessary dialogue opinionated posts.
Charlie Brown
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Re: Tim Baker STAB feud
Reply #44 on : Sun July 12, 2009, 21:58:10
@Gray & Stu
Damn. Snap. Back to you Jed. I mean you started this>
Fisher
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In all seriousness Jed..
Reply #43 on : Sun July 12, 2009, 17:23:37
Jed... really? I hope you are reading all comments and getting the message that where you are heading with your linguistic talents is really the wrong direction. Please go back to writing fluff pieces and simple Q&A interviews with unintelligent semi pros. please Jed, conform and stop entertaining us.
Anonymous
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Re: Tim Baker STAB feud
Reply #42 on : Sun July 12, 2009, 16:47:25
Jeeez, Dont go beating on older gentlemen Jed, weve all got egos and teeth we like to keep intact. A guy bashed my Grand dad and shortened his life considerably as a result.
Be the bigger man and just let him have his word and be done with it.
Anonymous
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Re: Tim Baker STAB feud
Reply #41 on : Sun July 12, 2009, 16:19:48
Jed, if you really hate surfing and the industry surrounding it so much please feel free to fuck off. I come here to catch up on some good surfing and stories written from angles missed by the mainstream media. I have no interest in your personal vendettas. This is not a site about you. Tone down the self importance mate and do your job.
Stu
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Re: Tim Baker STAB feud
Reply #40 on : Sun July 12, 2009, 16:17:00
"Writers from that era need to wake up and challenge their industry not suck at its teet"

Challenge their industry??

Are you Stab disciples that blind? Or just patently stupid?

Who the fuck do you think is paying for Jed to be in South Africa? And in Tahiti? Who do you think is bankrolling Stab?

Times up...Billabong, THE biggest company in the industry. Jed is towing the industry line as well as any suit-wearing exec. Get your head out of the fucking sand, Stab don't challenge any industry. They ARE the industry.

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